Comments on: Push for HIV drug prevention /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693 Setting Australia’s LGBTI agenda since 1979 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 03:07:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: James84 /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-109474 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 03:07:12 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-109474 i wonder how much fear and loathing of gay sex is rooted in the fear of diseases that can result from it? or are we still not allowed to say that?

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By: Stephen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-109358 Thu, 31 May 2012 06:21:28 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-109358 Well, I didn’t say anything about public subsidisation. But there are weight-loss medications on the PBS. Which is another appetite that we expect people to control. I wonder how many of the objections expressed here relate to fear and loathing of gay sex?

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By: James84 /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108664 Fri, 25 May 2012 02:53:37 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108664 there’s too many people waiting too long and in many cases in pain and/or dying because the over-extended public health system doesn’t have enough money for treatments, hospital beds or even enough nurses, in the first place.

if some gays want to – how did you put it Stephen, “want to try unprotected sex for a period of time” – let them do that, but why on earth should there be an expectation that the pharmaceuticals required for them to indulge that but stay HIV-negative be placed on the PBS? go for it, if you must, but fork out the $800 a month yourself.

pitiful, outrageous, embarrassing.

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By: Stephen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108581 Thu, 24 May 2012 07:23:07 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108581 Gee Richard, thanks so much for the lecture. And such a constructive tone you’ve adopted here. Since you’ve already labelled me, and (I presume) anyone who disagrees with your ranting, as ‘truly delusional’, there’s probably no point in responding, but just to clarify:

It’s not me who has a problem with condoms, but a number of friends and acquaintances I have spoken with who find it difficult to maintain 100% condom use – something I guess you are familiar with if you are HIV positive. These guys might be open to taking something like this for a period of time. Some of them are in relationships with positive guys, some of them have become turned on by the idea of unprotected sex and curious. Even if they don’t want to make a lifestyle of it, they want to try unprotected sex, so that it stops bugging them as something that has become so fetishised. So what is the problem with them using Truvada for a period of time to do this? Why the hysteria?

It’s true the drugs have some side effects but their side effect profile is not severe and some people don’t experience any side effects at all from Truvada.

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By: Richard Olsen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108297 Tue, 22 May 2012 05:52:18 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108297 David, you’re just far too naive to get it. HIV medications should only be for the use of HIV+ people only. I hope to hell the government here doesn’t put these pills on the PBS. You want to take them, fine, pay full price and don’t expect the tax payers to go forking out for your choice to dally in unsafe sex practices.

As for your remark on “I think a medical degree distinguishes their advice from yours” I think you’ll find that there are many in the sexual health industry that are very cautious about this. Many, don’t support it at all. This is NOT a vaccine. It’s NOT a cure.
You want to practice safe sex? Use a condom, don’t want to use a condom? Don’t practice unsafe penetrative sex. It’s really as simple as that.

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By: Mark /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108196 Mon, 21 May 2012 10:04:02 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108196 David much older studies show that use of condoms for fucking reduces the risk of HIV infection by up to 100%. That’s not a particularly marginal figure, either, don’t you agree?

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By: David /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108159 Mon, 21 May 2012 03:25:50 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108159 “Recent studies show Truvada reduces the risk of HIV infection in both gay men and the HIV-negative heterosexual partners of people who are HIV-positive by up to 73 percent”

That is not a marginal figure.

As somebody who was involved in a trial of this drug, these pills did not make me “very very sick”- they produced no negative side effects whatsoever. As for the “marching brigade of morons in the health industry”- I think a medical degree distinguishes their advice from yours.

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By: Richard Olsen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108133 Sun, 20 May 2012 21:35:00 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108133 Stephen, you have no idea do you? These pills are toxic, extremely toxic. If you’re having trouble with condom use, then you should probably be abstaining from penetrative sex if you’re concerned about catching something.
HIV is the least of what you should be worried about. HPV can cause cancer in men and women. There’s no cure for that either.
But go ahead, put your head in the sand and pretend that those multi-billion dollar drug companies only have your own best interests at heart.

You’re truly delusional. As a positive man, I don’t want to go back onto these pills. I’d rather wait off for as long as humanly possible. They actually do make you very very sick. You’re not missing out on anything by not taking them. If you’re perfectly healthy, use common sense and try to keep yourself perfectly healthy. Don’t put yourself at risk, and don’t blindly listen to the marching brigade of morons in the health industry. In fact, I’d strongly suggest you read “Bad Science” by Ben Goldacre before you go talking about “clinical trials” and their effectiveness.

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By: Mark /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108047 Sun, 20 May 2012 09:31:06 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108047 “who are having problems with condom use” ? give me a fucking break. the men you’re talking about don’t have opposable thumbs?

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By: Stephen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-108017 Sun, 20 May 2012 04:39:55 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-108017 I think this drug, which has some degree of proven efficacy and whose safety has been tested in clinical trials, should definitely be made available in some circumstances to people who need it, who are having problems with condom use. The moralism of the responses so far really surprises me.

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By: Mark /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-107823 Fri, 18 May 2012 12:26:12 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-107823 oh and Richard when you say “I have a theory that most of these organisations are run by people who are seriously in denial.” — I’ve lost count of the poz men i’ve met who work/have worked in the sector who’ve told me totally straight faced that “if you aren’t HIV positive, you aren’t doing sex properly”. In denial? In a Lewis Carroll novel, more like it.

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By: Mark /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-107820 Fri, 18 May 2012 12:13:54 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-107820 i went on PEP once and i had to take a month off work and now, six months later, my doctor says that the reason my liver hurts and is functioning abnormally is the four weeks i had on those pills. guess what they were called …. TRUVADA!

And the band played on indeed. Use a condom, fuckwits! I could train a parrot to talk that back tome in under an hour.

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By: Bipolar Bear /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-107792 Fri, 18 May 2012 08:42:19 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-107792 It amazes me how quickly we’ve been sucked in on this, as if this is some sort of vaccine. The evidence on its effectiveness is terrible!

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By: Richard Olsen /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-107779 Fri, 18 May 2012 06:31:55 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-107779 Exactly Mark. This is the most ridiculous logic I’ve read in a long while. I have a theory that most of these organisations are run by people who are seriously in denial.
For starters, there is no way our government would ever approve the use of a $26000 a month drug that has high toxicity levels and marginal proof of “protection” to be used by average every day healthy people, regardless of how at risk these individuals are.
It’s surprising the amount of “AIDS” organisations going around blabbering at how “harmless” these pills are. They aren’t harmless and they will do collateral damage as they pass through your system.

Not only will you still have to practice safe sex with these pills by wearing a condom, you’ll also have to put up with some pretty horrendous side effects from the medications and take them every single day for the rest of your life.

I’m positive and I don’t even want to do it, who in their right mind who’s negative would want to put themselves through that? Not only that, but there is no telling at the long term effects that these pills actually do. They didn’t know the ‘d’ drugs caused peripheral neuropathy at first….now they do.

I’m truly honest disgusted that AFAO would even suggest such tripe!

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By: Mark /news/national-news/new-south-wales-news/push-for-hiv-drug-prevention/77693#comment-107771 Fri, 18 May 2012 04:40:13 +0000 https://starobserver.com.au/?p=77693#comment-107771 panadol is the best pharmaceutical response here, to allay the migraine headaches that result from reading bullshit proposals like this which for some unknown reason ignore the fact that old fashioned safe sex (condoms for fucking) continues to be used quite happily and perfectly effectively by millions of negative men around the world, just as it has been for over a quarter of a century now.

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